Midi Looper assistance please....

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 14 Aug 2011, 18:58

Hi

I am having a bit of trouble getting MIDI out of the Midi Looper.

- I have one track with the Midi Looper and then a VSTi in a new row.
- In the Midi Looper patch it has a MIDI output to a SendMidiBus, set to global.
- In the VSTi patch, it has a GetMidiBus from the same existing (only) bus.

I have drawn notes in the piano roll, but when playing there is no sound - although the patch shows that the SendMidiBus isat least monitoring the MIDI.

One thing I have noticed is that when the piano roll is open and the Midi Looper is playing, the cursor stops when I select the VSTi patch in the GUI of the IB. I can play the VSTi fine with a MIDI keyboard and record into the MIDI looper too - it's just the playback./monitoring through the Looper.

Any ideas where I am going wrong?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Aug 2011, 19:37

here a simple workspace with the midi loper, when you use the > and < you must have 3 different melodies for the first 3 ones
tell me if it's ok for you
download

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 14 Aug 2011, 19:39

Thanks very much. Unfortunately I am getting....

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... when I click that link. It must be set for Gold Member permissions.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Aug 2011, 19:45

ok, sorry for this inconvenience
gone to check, waiting for a fix, here the workspace:
download

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 14 Aug 2011, 19:50

Thanks, I've saved that. I need to get the wee man to bed and so I'll get back to you later.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Aug 2011, 19:53

no problem, do your job dad !

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 14 Aug 2011, 22:06

That's Winnie the Pooh out of my head now and I've got my super-cool (but a little confused) musician hat back on!

I see that you put the VSTi on another track. I have had a play around and it looks like only one patch is "live" at a time per track - is that right? Je suis aller RTFM maintenant.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Aug 2011, 22:28

yes, when you are in grid mode, but there's also the rack and all mode, maybe you can check some tutorials first like the Learn Usine

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 14 Aug 2011, 23:02

Thanks. I have read all of that and everything is a lot clearer now. I am going to set everything up in patches, which leads me to....

I have set up Midi Looper as a sub patch in a patch with Battery 3 to start playing around and everything is mostly good. My problem is that Midi Looper resets to playing "1" whenever I press start/play. I can select any number of Midi Looper sequences on the GUI but pressing play reverts back to number 1.

I have MIDI Learned the 1,2,3,4 etc but even pressing them when playing flashes (sometimes) the control, but still only number 1 plays.

Don't worry, once I have my Eureka moment with Usine it will only be a week or two before I start annoying you guys with questions about the SDK.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 14 Aug 2011, 23:19

yes, cause in this patch , the 1,2,3 ...switches are only for visual feedback, the change is made with the > & < buttons.
i suppose I've to update this

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 14 Aug 2011, 23:40

Aahhh, d'accord. Sorry, I see what is happening in the patch. It would be possible to do what I want to do with 16 piano rolls. I'll get working on it....

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 15 Aug 2011, 09:33

Here one where it works in the 2 ways, you can use the > & < buttons but also the switches , and key or midi learn will work too
Download

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 15 Aug 2011, 14:55

Wow, thanks very much for the assistance!

Unfortunately it is still switching instantly back to the first sequence when pressing a sequence number or even the > & < buttons now. I've had a look at your cleverly constructed patch but I can't see where the issue is. I can see it trying to switch to another number but then changing back immediately.

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 15 Aug 2011, 15:45

It turns out that MIDI learning while the looper was playing was causing the problem. It must have been learning one of the notes in the sequence after the one I pressed, this is why it kept resetting (I think anyway). It works with key learn and MIDI learn when stopped.

Thanks for all the help.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 15 Aug 2011, 16:58

ho, ok
maybe better to use a different midi canal for the midi learn if you can ..?
and if you use a midi keyboard, it's not always easy to be sure if you learn midi on or off, so use the right click/open the remote panel and this way, you can check and assign manually if needed

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 15 Aug 2011, 19:18

Cool, that sounds like good advice - that would have saved me a lot of confusion.

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 17 Aug 2011, 00:30

Can I just ask for confirmation that all connected MIDI devices are treated as one by Usine for MIDI Learn purposes?

I am thinking that since Usine is such a flexible environment that learning per device and an option to automatically filter messages assigned to control something would make it a more right brained experience.

Also, what is the logic with MIDI output of patches... is that all passed to the MIDI Learn system too?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 17 Aug 2011, 09:21

About midi learn, all can be used , but you have several way to filter,
in the global setup/midi in tab, you can choose track= midi canal, and all patchs in rack mode .
and there's also an option by track ( blue buttons in top of each track) active or not the virtual midi in you've activated in your global settings.

if you want assign the midi out of a patch to Usine midi learn, use the module modules/inputs/outputs /send midi to usine in place of the usual midi out

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 17 Aug 2011, 15:32

Thanks for the reply, I am really enjoying Usine, the conductor is an amazing live tool.

I am going to post in the feature request section since the current model (as used by Reaper and FL Studio too) isn't optimum for using multiple MIDI controllers (I have 4).

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 21 Aug 2011, 00:34

Sorry to bug you, but until now I have been drawing in notes in the MIDI Looper.

Now, when I record with a midi keyboard, there are double/split notes being recorded (looping, in Overdub mode). There is also strange behaviour in the Piano Roll when moving the double notes - both are sometimes selected and click dragging down selects other notes that the mouse drag goes over.

Can you reproduce any of this?

edit: Also, I cannot download things from the "add-ons" section, it say that I must be registered. The permissions must need updated to silver members.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 21 Aug 2011, 09:51

no problem captain
i can't reproduce the same record issue but it seems there 's some problem with the overdub mode , you're right, same for the selected and move note, thanks we will check ( btw try to send bug by mail )

for the addon issue, don't understand cause there's no limitations , even on free version you can access to the addons.
Can you give me the exact message you have or a screenshot ( do you see the addons for example )

captain caveman · Unread post by **captain caveman** » 21 Aug 2011, 12:29

Thanks again nay-seven. I'll send future reports by mail.

Here is a screen-shot of the pop-up window message I get, you can see that I am logged in......

http://gyazo.com/447edba6295668b63825fdc82d8819e1

(tiny little thing web site thing too, you can see in the screenshot the "> download" link is spelled "> donwnload" in the left column)

Ciao.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 21 Aug 2011, 14:16

ok, gone to check

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