Hi Olivier,
I stop working for a few minutes just to post that:
The sequencer IS a great solution.
The biggest revolution since the first midi sequencer, maybe since the first philharmonic orchestra conductor.
Or I don't know, maybe since the first birimbow!
Great stuff.
And, just a detail, it works fine!
You're a genius when you want.
Wh?t do you think, Bj?rn? (that small O on the small A, great too, very elegant; may we use it on your English forum, Olivier?)
Sequencer
Hi there, Vincent - since you asking:
I haven't used the sequencer much, but I'm going to I think. I've been one of the many Usiners that created one big, complex workplace so I could pick and chose patches at will (CPU permitting). The sequencer doesn't really fit to well in with that concept I think.
The big workspace was fitting for the free impro I've been doing together with a drummer for quite a while now, with or without a computer. (That is "free" as in "play whatever you come up it that (hopefully) fits" - not as in "freebag".) Lately we've thinking that it's time to move on to create "compositions". That may be a song with a ABAB etc structure, a riff with variations, or for that matter a setup in Usine that allows for different "possible compositions".
So now I think I'm going to create smaller, more spezialized workspaces - one for each (possible) composition, and especially for the more structured stuff (= "songs") I think I'll be using the sequencer quite a lot. Sometimes maybe like a more conventional sequencer (press "Play"....).
Using smaller workspaces is also of course more CPU friendly, something that's a bit of a hangup for both of us, it seems...
I haven't used the sequencer much, but I'm going to I think. I've been one of the many Usiners that created one big, complex workplace so I could pick and chose patches at will (CPU permitting). The sequencer doesn't really fit to well in with that concept I think.
The big workspace was fitting for the free impro I've been doing together with a drummer for quite a while now, with or without a computer. (That is "free" as in "play whatever you come up it that (hopefully) fits" - not as in "freebag".) Lately we've thinking that it's time to move on to create "compositions". That may be a song with a ABAB etc structure, a riff with variations, or for that matter a setup in Usine that allows for different "possible compositions".
So now I think I'm going to create smaller, more spezialized workspaces - one for each (possible) composition, and especially for the more structured stuff (= "songs") I think I'll be using the sequencer quite a lot. Sometimes maybe like a more conventional sequencer (press "Play"....).
Using smaller workspaces is also of course more CPU friendly, something that's a bit of a hangup for both of us, it seems...
Bjørn S
I think that it's a good direction.So now I think I'm going to create smaller, more spezialized workspaces
Also, in the next version, the new conductor mode, will kill...
Olivier Sens
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Good news Olivier!
Bjørn S
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Vincent
Yes, good news.
I did also six huge workspace with a lot of patches and sub-patches level, very complicated and very heavy. That was for the same purpose than you: improvisation. Since we need freedom, we need (work-)space, hu-hu...
With sequencer, it's quite another philosophy: you dig a groove and follow it - or fall down. You can of course give any shape to it (ABAB, etc...). You can also elaborate something ambivalent with track stopping in a more sophisticated patch configuration for momentary improvisation break and then just restart it (and as you restart, the heavy patch is deactivated).
Your CPU will breathe!
You'll see, if your CPU can handle big workspaces, it will say: "Cool, job is easy today" (mine says "tonight"). And Usine will become much more stable.
It seems to me that Oliver has developed Usine specially for tracks. As a matter of fact, this is the interesting main concept. As I said, the pure modular aspect is not so effective. I don't know, Olivier is maybe much more a composer than a "free walker of s(urr)ound". (yes we talking of you, Master!)
The great stuff of Usine is that you can have:
a) huge workspace for compositional or improvisational works (if your computer can handle it, because Usine is a greedy modular soft)
b) very specialized tracks of patches in lighter workspaces, created from scratch of the big ones and from your impros or personal searching works.
Let's says that one side is for personal self-evolution and the other one, as a kind of outcome, for stage and public (since public is generally not so interested in your work and just wants music - and thanks for that!). It's a perfect progress, I think.
It's amazing for me now to build my tracks with my patches coming from the huge stuff and see how they can be drastically simplified (I just save them in another folder).
Anyway, when you'll begin to use the sequencer, you'll think differently to your music and to the way you're used to work.
Master says "it's good".
Listen to Master, Bj?rn, or we'll have some problems!... Perhaps you should talk to your drummer (or change him)!
Well, more seriously, as this is a new concept, nobody knows exactly what it will give. Except Olivier maybe, as I suppose he build Usine to answer to a very precise stage need he had, and he is still alone in his workshop.
I did also six huge workspace with a lot of patches and sub-patches level, very complicated and very heavy. That was for the same purpose than you: improvisation. Since we need freedom, we need (work-)space, hu-hu...
With sequencer, it's quite another philosophy: you dig a groove and follow it - or fall down. You can of course give any shape to it (ABAB, etc...). You can also elaborate something ambivalent with track stopping in a more sophisticated patch configuration for momentary improvisation break and then just restart it (and as you restart, the heavy patch is deactivated).
Your CPU will breathe!
You'll see, if your CPU can handle big workspaces, it will say: "Cool, job is easy today" (mine says "tonight"). And Usine will become much more stable.
It seems to me that Oliver has developed Usine specially for tracks. As a matter of fact, this is the interesting main concept. As I said, the pure modular aspect is not so effective. I don't know, Olivier is maybe much more a composer than a "free walker of s(urr)ound". (yes we talking of you, Master!)
The great stuff of Usine is that you can have:
a) huge workspace for compositional or improvisational works (if your computer can handle it, because Usine is a greedy modular soft)
b) very specialized tracks of patches in lighter workspaces, created from scratch of the big ones and from your impros or personal searching works.
Let's says that one side is for personal self-evolution and the other one, as a kind of outcome, for stage and public (since public is generally not so interested in your work and just wants music - and thanks for that!). It's a perfect progress, I think.
It's amazing for me now to build my tracks with my patches coming from the huge stuff and see how they can be drastically simplified (I just save them in another folder).
Well, for Usine, yes. But for guys like Bj?rn or me and maybe many other?Senso wrote:I think that it's a good direction.
Anyway, when you'll begin to use the sequencer, you'll think differently to your music and to the way you're used to work.
Master says "it's good".
Listen to Master, Bj?rn, or we'll have some problems!... Perhaps you should talk to your drummer (or change him)!
Well, more seriously, as this is a new concept, nobody knows exactly what it will give. Except Olivier maybe, as I suppose he build Usine to answer to a very precise stage need he had, and he is still alone in his workshop.
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Vincent
Hi Olivier!
What?
T?lking to Bj?rn?
Who? Me?
Oh, no-no-no!
Who is Bj?rn, by the w?y?
...
But I still meet some difficulty to conceptualize how Sequencer and Conductor can work together. Hope you'll give us a small tuto!
What?
T?lking to Bj?rn?
Who? Me?
Oh, no-no-no!
Who is Bj?rn, by the w?y?
...
Fantastic! I love to kill. Rare are those who give that permission...senso wrote:Also, in the next version, the new conductor mode, will kill...
But I still meet some difficulty to conceptualize how Sequencer and Conductor can work together. Hope you'll give us a small tuto!
I don't think I understand what sort of problems you're referring to Vincent, but "the good direction" is good for me/us on more levels than just the technical things. We haven't chosen to be less "free" in our music because of Usine or any other equipment related issue, but because it's about time we did something else.
We've proven to ourselves (and the few that have heard us) that we can produce some ok music without much planning (usually none) before we start to play - now we're going to get a bit more structured, and I think we will actually get a broader palette to draw from by setting some limits.
We've proven to ourselves (and the few that have heard us) that we can produce some ok music without much planning (usually none) before we start to play - now we're going to get a bit more structured, and I think we will actually get a broader palette to draw from by setting some limits.
Bjørn S
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Vincent
Sorry, Bj?rn!
I'm not so clear...
Well! I like Usine very much, and I learn a lot from you all.
For that I'm grateful and happy. I'm not a grouser!
If it's about what I said concerning your drummer: that was only a bad joke! I should just give up trying to joke.
I was not referring to problems (neither technical problems).
Just looking how a soft and it's philosophy could interact with our way to create, our orientations and the freedom we feel (or not).
Sorry, I did not mean that what you did (or what I did) was not good.
I understand that it's sometimes time to change way to do things and, since I did it many times, I think you're right!
I'm not writing lampoons about freedom and good directions.
Sorry again, I hope you're not upset about my "mistalking"!
I'm not so clear...
Well! I like Usine very much, and I learn a lot from you all.
For that I'm grateful and happy. I'm not a grouser!
If it's about what I said concerning your drummer: that was only a bad joke! I should just give up trying to joke.
I was not referring to problems (neither technical problems).
Just looking how a soft and it's philosophy could interact with our way to create, our orientations and the freedom we feel (or not).
Sorry, I did not mean that what you did (or what I did) was not good.
I understand that it's sometimes time to change way to do things and, since I did it many times, I think you're right!
I'm not writing lampoons about freedom and good directions.
Sorry again, I hope you're not upset about my "mistalking"!
No offence taken, Vincent, and I'm not upset. Take care!
Bjørn S
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