Usine with Ableton Live, HP Touchsmart, and LoopBe

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 08:27

Hello Usine Community,

Just got a tablet pc running Ableton and Usine. I've gotten so far as to relize I need LoopBE(nerds.de) to communicate between the two programs. I have Usine running as a VST in an Ableton MIDI track but I have no clue how to trigger MIDI in Ableton using Usine as a touch screen interface(similar to a lemur)

Can someone walk me through the process of setting up a patch and routing the MIDI in and out between the two programs?

I also want to incorporate the 3x space faders for usine by 23fx23 to control effects in ableton. These little guys look sick!

Thanks!

-John

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 14:36

hello johnadx
here a little step to step :

how to use Usine vst in Live ableton

about the fader of 23fx23 , just put themin the skin folder of Usine, they 'll be available next time you run Usine in the layout window/fader

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 20:01

Thanks for the reply!

I'm not trying to control a VST with Usine but more so the MIDI triggers of audio tracks. Should I use the stand alone version instead of the VST?

Are there any templates available for this?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 20:28

yes , it would be better to use the standalone version in this case
just create midi button and fader like in my example
then choose loopbe1 as midi out in Usine
loopbe1 as midi in ( and only midi in ) in Live
then you just have to made midi learn on each elements in Live..?
there is no template sorry..

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 21:45

Your example shows how to create a fader, but not a button?

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:07

hi johnadx, it's very simple to create a midi button. take a button in interfacedesign, a createmidi in midi and link as above.

then you can set the midi channel , type of mess(cc/note ect..), CC/note nb (code1), CC/note Value (code2) directly on create midi message module.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:10

it's always the same way
here an example :

here it's a switch , but you can do the same for a button ,
And i use control change but you can also use midi note and so..

once you have done one , save it as sub-patch and copy paste...

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:13

crossed post...

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:19

Any chance one of you guys could send me a file with this already done? I'm still having trouble. When I drag the code1 or create from the MIDI in I don't see an option for button/switch/has change or any of that.:/

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:20

yup nay hehe, was making a summary for 3 main cases:

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:26

m yup need to "manually" wire the, but once one is ok can copy and paste.
in fact there were pre-done patch in V4 but not in V5, but it's quick to make them

items for controls are in /interface design (pannel, swich, button, fader ect)

has cghd is in /event control

A*B is in math/

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:27

hey , JohnADX..
button and switch and fader..are in modules / interface design
has change module are in modules/event control

better to do the things yourself to learn i think...

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:29

ha ha ! twice !

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:31

hehe we need a writing warning led

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:34

Ok well I've managed to figure out where to find the modules but now that i have everything wired like your illustrations who do i actually export that into the main screen as a button?

23fx23 · Unread post by **23fx23** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:41

on your items (swich, button ect) there is a "where option", can set IB for example for your items to be visible when in Ib fullscreen mode.

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:48

This is starting to look like it's not going to be the right program for me. I've followed all these instructions and it just shows up as a grey rectangle the says Midi.

Thanks for the help

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 08 Apr 2010, 22:56

each project need a little work...?
just right click and edit layout..

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 08 Apr 2010, 23:43

I understand every project requires a lot of work, but I have no idea as to what I am doing here.

I have a basic midi layout in Usine. Button-Create Midi-Midi Out. When i try to map midi in ableton it is not finding anything? I have configured Usine out to Internal Midi one and Ableton Midi in to Internal 1. I have no idea why this isn't working.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 09 Apr 2010, 00:05

ok,
what you can do is to activate the trace option in the midi out setup of Usine
and check the console ( black window on the top of Usine ) to check if midi message is really going out
if it's ok , check also the yellow led on the up right of Live to see if midi message are really entering..
tell me..

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 09 Apr 2010, 00:18

I did not see any message in the black area of the screen when i hit Trace out.

Could this be a problem with my internal MIDI?

I am using Loopbe3 on vista 64 bit

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 09 Apr 2010, 00:20

If so can you recomment any other 3rd party programs? I can't use Midi Yoke Unfortunately Im assuming because Im on a 64 bit computer. Everytime I run the download it says it was interupted. I even disable UAC settings, still did not work.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 09 Apr 2010, 00:39

strange , cause on their website they say it's ok with 64 bits os..
i've send you a patch to be sure..

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 09 Apr 2010, 00:46

I feel like a dummy for asking this, but how do I load the patch?

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 09 Apr 2010, 00:52

no problem
ctrl+alt+O
or menu patch / open patch

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 09 Apr 2010, 01:05

Ok, when I click on "button" I see no midi signal in Ableton

JohnADX · Unread post by **JohnADX** » 09 Apr 2010, 02:14

I think the problem was with loopbe30. Waste of $20 now. I actually managed to get MidiYoke working after properly turning off my UAC.

nay-seven · Unread post by **nay-seven** » 09 Apr 2010, 09:15

!!
really strange !
are you sure you are on a 64 bits OS ..?

( edit : but i saw with google that you're not the only one..)

but the most important is that you succeed to do a first approach..?

gurulogic · Unread post by **gurulogic** » 09 Apr 2010, 10:28

loopbe30 works fine for me on 64 bit windows 7, and has worked fine on XP 64. It should work on vista too...

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