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there is now solutions to to send audio/midi to other DAW's via some cheap plugins ? Ok, so I guess hack our own solution and hope the best that it stays futureproof is the only hope to see any future integration of Usine within other DAW? Honestly it seems like a missed opportunity to "re" open Us...

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I also am still waiting for Usine to come back to having function as plugin in other DAW. Does not need to be the full blown version. Just audio /MIDI / plugin hosting /basic interface /patching/logic, one "rack", inter-instance communication. Totally ok with it being a separate product. Maybe in 10...

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One of the biggest factors for selecting a PC (IMO) is that there is no problematic hardware / driver configuration that will cause a high DPC latency, and therefore poor realtime audio performance. Sometimes this can manifest as a network or bluetooth etc device that can be disabled, sometimes the ...

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Oh this looks cool!
Maybe a way to automagically load Usine with workspace when VST saved state is loaded with external DAW???

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I am a fan of the business class of Lenovo laptops. Very reliable and not full of bloatware. That said, it is worth doing further research into any model you buy, especially for audio work. PC's in general are notorious for having driver (etc) conflicts that can cause unsatisfactory audio performanc...

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https://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

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I'm rock solid here in desktop Windows 11 / 12th gen intel cpu with my "vintage" RME hdspe + MultifaceII combo. Running my Windows 10 laptop with a thunderbolt3 to thunderbolt 2 expresscard adapter for the RME, I have to make sure to load a very specific thunderbolt driver or the combo makes the sys...

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The OSC plugin sounds like an interesting idea. I guess it would be uni-directional only.. ? Unless perhaps the DAW could re-map received parameters. Direct OSC communication between Usine and Live should already be possible, perhaps with something like LiveGrabber https://www.showsync.com/tools. Fo...

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The bridge vst concept does seem like a possible solution. In a well streamlined solution, having the main body of Usine running in a separate process should make the experience fairly seamless, with the exception of having to manage project files for two separate applications at once, which for var...

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I long for the day when Usine once again has the ability to load as VST in a host software. Even as a single patch / rack, with some Senso genius integration tweaks added of course ;) . Plugin developement has come so far in recent years, it seems like much should be possible now. I would also suppo...

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I have not tested Win 11 extensively with HH yet but otherwise no notable problems with any other audio apps or drivers and performance seems good. I personally think that unless you are using the latest intel cpu's that can benefit from the new thread director in Win 11 then there seems to be no pa...

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Happy birthday, and may the future of HH and Sensomusic be bright!

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Wow! HH5 looks fantastic!

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Fantastic! Thank you team Senso for all your efforts in making an already brilliant software even better! I look forward to finding some quiet days soon to dig into all the new features.

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Fantastic! Thank you team Senso for all your efforts in making an already brilliant software even better! I look forward to finding some quiet days soon to dig into all the new features.

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@nay-seven, I am amongst those that have not been sending feedback. I have enjoyed testing previous versions but unfortunately life has been leaving very little free time for such things as of late but so you know, it is my intention to help as soon as I am able to take some time.

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Thanks! I did not see any specific info regarding non disclosure. Perhaps this should be clarified, or is it ok to discuss the beta?

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Yes please!

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Sounds interesting. Thanks!

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Thanks for the update. Has anyone else noticed that the audio driver cannot be started when setting the Usine bloc size to 64? Windows OS.

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Thanks for taking the time to write descriptions. Very helpful!

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Lots of interesting stuff for sure! It would help to have an included text document with a short description of each module to simplify learning what each one does. Thanks!

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I use a method in just one workspace where I have a dedicated "master" rack with a continuous looper that I engage for song changes. To do without dropouts, I engage the loop which automates all the other racks being disabled, then a patch on each rack is loaded sequentially, then each rack is turne...

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hi. And what about export "only" patch as a vst possibility ? +1 Even this would have so many applicationsl. Maybe possibly a feature like in the old Usine vst where different instances could communicate flows independent of the host allowing different patches to be used in a vst host in a modular ...

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Cool, I will study this more closely. Thanks!

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Hi, its good to see that my method for keeping parameter loops localized has given some inspiration. In the case where not adding a dense data flow (ie: LFO's) to an array of multi parameter flows , just in case you have not considered this idea, I find the holdtime parameter on the pass if change m...

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Good suggestion! +1

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if the module had internal 'pass only if changed', it would be able to detect only the lfo param/params in the array that changed over last bloc, and update only it/them, the other values would not pass internally, and the user could still tweak other params on the ui with no 'fight' occuring. that...

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Mesnerizing! Thanks for sharing.

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x.iso, I have in previous months been working in a similar fashion with loading complex patches without stopping audio. It is a little bit complex but when I find some free time (hopefully soon) I will try to share some tips. senso, yes there are some modules etc that stop the audio when loaded in a...

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Great, thanks!

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I'm suspicious that perhaps an audio or video driver could be working less efficiency on the new computer. For video, try miniimizing Usine and check the cpu usage. Normally it will be less but if it is a severe amount, this could be the problem. For audio, not sure best method to check except maybe...

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I encountered this as well. There is a latency with group switches and if connected to the same destination will briefly sum values of two switches. I did find a workaround, can't recall definitely but my solution might have been to stop the flow if the value was outside of range of the desired outp...

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OK, I think I figured out where I was headed with this. Here's a quick and dirty example, should be pretty self explanatory from the notes inside, basically there is 4 knobs and 2 modulators that can be assigned to any? number of plugins parameters within a workspace that is connected to the buses "...

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If the delete array module could accept array input of values for trim value it could be used as an effective comb style or value range filter for arrays.

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Well.. Apparently I must have been doing some patching in my dreams because my solution was nowhere near as integrated in my workspace as I had thought, in fact I am totally lost as to what clever solution I was aiming for. Too many months away lol. Here is the base solution I had come up with befor...

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try the from 1 to 0 or from 0 to 1 modules in patching

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Hmm, as far as I know windows usually installs generic chipset drivers if installing basic Windows OS, but maybe different for Win10?. See if you motherboard manufacture has them available for download, and maybe see if there are any other relevant manufacturer supplied drivers that you might have m...

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Seems odd that you would be running higher cpu. Have you looked in the bios to make sure everything auto configured correctly? Memory, CPU etc. Also disabling any CPU throttling and core parking is usually a good idea for audio. Also I assume you have installed the intel chipset drivers etc? Also tr...

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Last i checked there was an invert phasefunction in HH3, but pretty sure sending audio from one rack to another causes one bloc latency regardless. (Except perhaps when using single core cpu?) As far as I know, more or less any multicore aware host will introduce a processing bloc latency whe...

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I have been mostly just a forum lurker as of the last while, super busy with everything else in life so no major breakthroughsyet but I do have the framework for solid fully functional, if not a bit patch heavy method that was working well last I checked. I had big plans to upload it to addons but a...

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Or you can place the same switch as also visible in ib if that works for your needs?

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IMO, any formats that assist Usine in connecting with other hosts is very welcome addition. Link, Rewire and VST each would their own ways would massively improve the ability to use Usine in conjunction with other software and in turn help open up Usine as a product to fit an even wuder user base. M...

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I have been on the sidelines as of late with not much time to dedicate to Usine / music making but have definitely been impressed with Senso's responsiveness to suggestions and quick rollout of updates. I'm personally hoping there are some biggies in the works.. Some form of HH patches as a VST woul...

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Me too.

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SET_TARGET_PATCH PARENT_PATCH also works properly now.

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I'm fine with a particular value on the plugin being overridden by the input. In the case of incoming parameter value change it doesn't make much sense for the value for that parameter to be set via plugin ui anyways as it is effectively in slave mode. In the case of all values on the plugin being o...

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It was definitely a head scratcher the couple times it happened for me. If i make sure the plugin array out is connected before connecting the plugin array in, all is well.. Well except for the other little things that drive me nuts when I hit a wall that prevents me from being able to make somethin...

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Yep, I have also experienced this so a +1 from me.

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For my 2 cents, as someone who only has my DAW computer online when absolutely necessary, I would like to see better addons management via web browser. The current method of showing simply the 100 latest addons is a bit limited IMO. Would be nice to brows online by category again.

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sephault, I have been working for quite some time on another mapping approach that allows parameters from plugins throughout a workspace to be unified in a single control window. This requires the use of buses to send and receive parameter flows and causes issues, particularly if sending constant va...

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Thanks.

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And I very much agree that having VST option would help HH reach a much larger audience.

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I would take even a vst capable of loading single patches and perhaps linking / busing flows between multiple instances of the plugin.

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Depending on your application but maybe you could use loadpatch module or iml to load empty patch template in place of the patch to be deleted?

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Oohh this looks very interesting. Thanks for sharing!

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As suggested by 23fx in another thread, perhaps if a general array pass if change is not easily possible, perhaps the plugin/vst wrapper could be modified to allow an option for incoming array values to be disconnected unless value has changed? Perhaps with an inlet on the plugin to force update fro...

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Yes, the asynchronous? method of arrays when in a loop can be tricky if the processing does not occur in the same bloc, definitely not ideal for when bidirectional control is required. As seems there usually is in Usine, at least there is some method that can work. I will update my feature request f...

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Alright.. with use of the time elapsed module I found there was a 1 bloc latencyafter the concat array and if I deleted the array out to the set value the delay went away so a processing loop required a buffer I guess. I tried replacing the concat out > set value wire with a quicklink to break the l...

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Hmm, interesting. Thanks for looking and confirming. For me a pass if change with 3ms hold, so 1 bloc on the params input for plugin 2 seems to solve the issue but there really should be no bloc of latency so I will keep digging as to why. Also even 3ms resolution might cause a grainy sound for fast...

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I put together a solution that should work how I want it to.. This makes sense and works great for one plugin but for some reason the second plugin in this case which should be sending and receiving parameters equal in every way to the first plugin but for some reason the plugin UI freezes. I do not...

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Cheers. Thanks for the update!

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HH3 downloads are not available from downloads page?

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I haven't used Usine 5 in a long time so I am kind of shooting in the dark but it should be possible to create a MIDI input for the X-Touch, transform the MIDI channel and send the MIDI to Usine for learn. Getting Feedback on the X-touch channel will be a bit more complicated, you would have to wire...

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I extract the arrays into group destinations before they are dispatched from the control patch, then extract, or "demultiplex" again for each plugin within each group. All the patching I have done to make this work is maybe a bit on the heavy side but nothing too out of control.i have barely put any...

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That is interesting, I think I see what you are saying. I will try in the morning and see if I can decipher your idea. The method I have been using so far on this idea of mapping plugin parameters from a single set of knobs is that I concat all the parameter arrays from each vst group and send by bu...

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I have been building a patch solution that in summary allows to map a fixed number of controllers dynamically between any plugin loaded within the workspace, as well as reflect in the controller interface the source patch, plugin name and plugin param name. Also, any mapped parameters are updated in...

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For me it seems there is already lots of ways to set routings from the ui , ie: matrix, combobox or even iml for realtime manipulation of patch wiring but I could see maybe some sort of combo patch / interface mode could be useful in some cases.

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Thanks 23FX, this looks like it could be useful but it is not quite what I had in mind in this case. The input array values would need pass through to an array outlet and only allow to flow the element values that had changed. Also, the array size would need to recognize automatically or by sending ...

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I would find a module for pass if changed per array element very very useful. Currently, pass if change module only turns the entire flow on or off.
Maybe as a module or perhaps a script guru can make this?

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I have had the same problem, it seems to affect only certain systems so apparently is hard to solve the problem. Maybe v1.4 will provide an adequate method. From another thread: "In the version 140 you'll find a full screen inlet in the usine master module"

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When I update HH to a new version I copy the entire config folder to the new directory. This contains all settings, devices and any user modules that I have downloaded.

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Yes, I had discovered the same thing. HH had no problem for the computer connected with cable to the router, but tried with two others connected wirelessly and HH would barely load. One thing maybe to try is to give a static IP? Haven't had any time to check myself yet.

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I have recently discovered and reported an issue where HH can be very slow or unresponsive when computer is connected to a wireless network with no internet access. Possibly your problem is related and will hopefully be resolved soon.

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+1 for having an advanced and light version of the module.

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While we are throwing ideas around, I would love an inlet for relative speed. Would be great to be able to switch from coarse to fine control. Also, vertical captions for faders would be helpful

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If you have 32 presets and you write at 43, preset 32 is over written. If you are at 43 and you select new, a preset is created at 33. This new preset manager behavior is is the only thing in HH3 that I am not extremely stoked on. It has made presets very hard to use for me as I need presets to foll...

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Windows user here, experiencing much better audio performance myself in HH3 so not sure how much help i can be but pergaps try changing the total number of threads setting or hiding the UI and seeing if the problem persists?

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Ok, thanks. Back to plan C, sendng dB values via OSC and using faders as VU meters on the remote computer. Unless there is a better way?

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Hmm. Sounds like time to file a bug report. But yea, as far as a suggestion and improvement goes, being able to name presets via text input and select preset via string index would make it possible to once again have fixed remote mappings for presets. In fact I have a bunch of suggestions for preset...

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As a workaround to patch sharing between computers not remotely showing VU meters etc, I had a thought that I could stream the bitmap out of a container to view VU meters and other relevant info on stage but I'm not sure this is actually possible? Any ideas? My network is working, patch sharing and ...

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This only broke for you recently in the last version? There was a pretty significant change in how presets slots are handled since HH3. Now if example you have three presets 1 2 3 and you delete preset 2 the slot is collapsed and preset 3 becomes preset two and there is no longer an empty slot where...

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Hi! Welcome to the future!

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Hmm good to know. I wonder if the behavior is the same in HH2? I never noticed before.

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I guess it should be possible to test if the behavior is the same on another user module? Time for bed in Canada but I can try tomorrow. One thought to throw out there, could a UI specific setting be stored to preset that cannot be loaded until refresh? Could that cause the module to wait for the re...

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Hi, sorry for the slow response, summer is very busy. What I am seeing is that the value output of the fader seems to be tied to the graphics refresh speed. For example, a very slow refresh gives a 150+-ms lag, a very fast refresh gives 15-20 ms lag etc. http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.php?...

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Thanks, so far so good. I did notice a small lag in the UI when changing presets compared to a normal fader. Maybe it only the UI redraw is slower than with a normal fader?

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Thanks, this seems a good solution for the time being. I'm wondering what would happen if the batch process were terminated before exiting HH?

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Actually problem is solved by changing almost any setting? Maybe something does not initialize when the module is first loaded?

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Hi, just thought I would mention that when first loading the module I am seeing in MouseMove, in MouseUp and in MouseDown errors constantly. If I change either the inputs or outputs setting from ranged to normalized the problem disappears, even after changing setting back to ranged.. HH3.0.134, Wind...

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You are right, I do not see any reference for the modules description in the manual, however on my OS (Windows 7) When I drop a get or set audio bus into a patch window there is a menu to choose number of audio channels. Do you not see this?

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Due to the various ways that I use Usine, I keep three program directories, each with it's own setup options and devices set. One for my live performance and production with tons of i/o, one for a more compact live performance setup and one for FOH sound processing duties. Plus I tend to keep a few ...

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Hi x.iso, in my experience when a specific feature does not seem immediately available within Usine,more often than not with a bit of creative patching, and usually with various different approaches available, a solution can be found. For example I just had a quick attempt at creating a relative fad...

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Yes there is so many subtle improvements and additions in HH3 that make the sum of all the parts a very big evolution. Without a detailed change log available it is a good idea for even a seasoned Usine veteran to read over the manual to see what is new.

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I've only just now had a chance to give this a quick check and so far it is fantastic! I see a lot of uses for this down the road. Thanks for your efforts!

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Really interesting., thanks for sharing!

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Wow that is quite the collection. I will definately download and pick through at some point, but perhaps also worth documenting and adding as bundles to the Usine file addons section?

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Congratulations to team Sensomusic!!! HH3 really exceeds all expectations, so many new creative possibilities to dig into here!

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Very cool!

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I'm not but it sounds like an awesome idea!

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I had also discovered similar loop sync problems and have been well assured that the synchro has been improved for HH3 and this problem no longer an issue. Soon I hope...!

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I have no idea if something is already in the works for integrating HH3 as VST in other hosts, but I miss the functionality since V.5 and IMO, VST integration is a great way to widen the user base so here is some things I have been thinking about in the meantime as a possible workaround since HH is ...

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Hello, the forums are not always the best place to get help if you are having technical issues with Usine. I suggest emailing your problem to contact@sensomusic.com if you have a problem with installation or running of the program that needs prompt resolution.

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@oli This sounds like a great project! I currently use a continuous buffer style recorder patch that allows me to do DJ style mix transitions when changing songs, and this works great and all but there is definitely no tempo changing until after the new song has been fully mixed in or it becomes a t...

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Perhaps try with the controller and usine knob set to absolute? This is how I use my BCF2000 and it works as expected, but maybe you are looking for a different usage than absolute allows? Also just to be sure, your Xtouch midi out device is set to be as a motorized device and your midi learned cont...

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I'm not sure I'm quite following what the objective here is, and I may be totally off track, but what comes come to mind for speed control on record as well as play is to use a local sync to manipulate the record and playback speed and also using two or more samplers to have separate manipulations f...

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I agree, it is too quiet, but I am sure that some HH3 news would help create some buzz around here..

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Sorted for now. There is probably an easier solution but I plotted the required curve shape using the points curve module and am close enough for my needs.

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I think the Matrix cell must have already an integrated value scale? I can get close with a change scale module with min in -60 and max in 0 (output 0-1) In this case as far as -12dB reduction seems accurate but the further I go the more drift. Have tried various min values in the change scale but t...

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Yes I was trying (with dB to Coefficient) but not finding a solution that works.

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I am making a Matrix based audio mix interface with faders etc > set array > Matrix Audio and am stumped on how to have the fader that I am setting the matrix cell value with show a precise dB reduction value in relation to the actual Matrix Audio output gain.
Any suggestions?

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Hi, I looked at your example and maybe I am not getting it as intended, but presuming that the inefficiency comes from when you add more controls that you need two buses for each one? If so, have you considered using get/set arrays to convert parameters data to array and be able to use just one get ...

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All good.. It doesn't seem like there is an overwhelming amount of support for my suggestion anyways. I'll keep my fingers crossed for vertical scrolling in the ib. Cheers!

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I have been having thoughts of putting my monitor in portrait position and using Usine sideways, but this seems a bit overly convoluted of a way to achieve vertical scrolling of horizontal racks..:P I think the rack view would be next level if we had an option (other than turning a monitor on its si...

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I tend towards thinking that with the right understanding of the software, the time to invest (and a fast computer), Usine can be adapted to fit almost any live perfomance environment, but as this environment typically has to be custom designed from scratch and with Usine not being the strongest con...

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Yep, iml can do this. If I recall correctly, SAVE_PATCH ' C:Target Directorypatchname.pat ' should do it.

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Maybe something along the lines of this? In this example, I reset the array disp/set prior to saving, then when I reload the patch there definitely is a good pause before the A=B kicks in and triggers the increment on the fader which may be an indication of when the VST has fully activated. Worth a ...

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Perhaps because Reaktor is a VST with potentially long load times it still needs time to finish fully loading after the patch is initialized? A couple thoughts to try, use an on init to send a very small value of say 0.0001 to the bus sending the preset change number to resend the preset number when...

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Having one sub patch "buffer" with saved in preset disabled works here for me..

Top parent patch w/ preset manager, target = workspace> sub patch w/saved in preset = no> sub patch w/saved in preset = yes w/preset manager, target = current patch

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Hmm, a couple of my methods that might help.. To have a sub patch with a preset manager that operates independently of a global preset manager, I nest the sub patch inside another that has saved in preset turned off. Then you can have a sub patch within a sub patch that has its own preset manager fu...

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Hmm.. I can try to help but I am not sure I fully understand what you are trying to do. When I try with your method, it seems to behave as expected by the first part of your question and the wet fader is at 1 when the input is above 0.8 and at 0 when the input below 0.8, but this is not the desired ...

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Scraninger, do you mean that the automap with vsts feature is not working in Usine ? I do not use the automap vsts feature so I can't say if working but otherwise the mapping software/remote zero controller etc works fine for me with Usine on windows 7 64 bit.

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I don't personally mind having cabling options to interact with vst parameters, it allows for a broader scope of usage and manipulation but having invested quite a bit of time into finding an effective way to interface with vst's in a dynamic way, I definitely see room for improvement without steeri...

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Also for editing interface items in poly patches

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+1. It would be a welcome feature for sure!

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-Mouse down outlet. I am finding good uses for creating actions depending on VST interfaced. Currently am using has changed on params array outlet to trigger things but is a bit clunky. -Name outlet for vst. Can be done with IML but a name outlet for vst factory (and caption) name would be useful. -...

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I did report it yes. Nay was unable to reproduce but it is forwarded to Senso. Have not heard back specifically on that since, but was hoping to track down perhaps a machine/system specific root cause in the meantime. One thought is maybe the IML is processed too fast and the patch gets confused. I ...

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Hmm, yea, maybe not the best specific approach. I guess what I am trying to get at is more along the lines of sub patches being able to have stored macro states or "presets" that would allow a single sub patch in a workspace to be freely changed out for any saved state of that sub patch, including w...

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When I drop an VST on a subpatch, and use the IML template for clear patch and open plugin, the behavior I see is not what I would expect. The wiring inside the sub patch is connecting the wrong pins internally until I double click on the sub patch. In this first example , I have just dropped a VST ...

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To try to expand a bit on what shawnb was explaining in response to funkyguitarist's OP, yes it is possible via IML to link/load a specific sub patch into any parent patch. For example, I have a patch named BD1 that I want to load as a sub patch. In the send message module within the patch I want to...

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All the (documented) options are here http://www.sensomusic.org/wiki3/doku.ph ... l_messages
In the case of deleting something, DELETE_MODULE nameofmodule does the trick.

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Of course.. its when it is too easy that I get lost..
Thanks!

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I'm trying to wrap my head around how to work with variables or "destvariable" in IML. I am assuming that the get functions can get a value from one module that can be applied to another (or same), for example, "GET_VALUE modulename terminalname destvariable" would be [GET_VALUE]=Get the value from>...

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"Not sure how I am ever going to get global preset recall working with this scenario, though" I think that "sub vst patch" preset manager recall could be linked to global preset variables, ie: fader to select via bus etc preset of sub patch.. The trick here is that to prevent the "sub vst patch" fro...

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Hmm.. I didn't know about that you could break presets for existing modules by changing otjer stuff in patch. What are the limitations for future reference? One thought is, have you tried with each vst in a sub patch with it's own preset manager? In this case i would think you could even move this v...

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Yes, in the simplest way of saying it, I have one controller/interface item able to be mapped to (learn from) any VST parameter that is within one of several VST racks within a workspace, along with automatic update of parameter name label and VST name label.. The expanded concept is a master patch ...

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Hi sephult, thanks for the interest. In my case, I have found a way to track the index of a single VST parameter in a larger concatation array of multiple VST's parameters by using the parameter names as an index locator. In this way I can change amount or order and array size within the array and a...

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Another really handy thing would be if VST plugins could have an outlet for name of VST coupled with an instance ID, for example if two of the same VST were loaded in a workspace, one instance would put out "NameofVST1" and the other "NameofVST2" Currently is possible to index names of VST's when lo...

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Thanks for the suggestion, for now I avoid trying to rewire my brain to understand scripting and utilize the 23fx method here to replace " with a variable character. It still gives a usable comma text output and will suffice for my needs. http://www.sensomusic.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=4844

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I am looking for a way to add an identifier (other than by index) to each string from a variable comma text source. For example: "String1","String2","String3","String4","etc.. would become "StringA","StringA","String3A","String4A","etc.. Using comma text> strings> concat strings> comma text etc isn'...

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woodslanding, it seems like we may have some in common inspirations for how VST function can be expanded in HH. "It would be so great to be able to load a different vst dll into a module, and load an fxb/fxp into it as well, via a text input. Just like the sampler module." I assume that you mean one...

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In the literal as you described way, here is a method with a button (momentary) http://www.sensomusic.org/forums/uploads.php?file=Midi%20button.JPG Or else with a switch http://www.sensomusic.org/forums/uploads.php?file=midi%20switch.JPG (btw, these sorts of questions are usually meant for the patch...

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So after countless hours of patching patching patching and bug hunting and more patching I am coming up with a solution for vst parameters mapping etc and accessibility that is working pretty fantastically and I am pretty darned proud of so maybe don't create suggested VST params etc access module b...

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To expand on the concept of presets without endlessly spamming the suggestions forum with new topics, something that keeps coming to mind for me is the idea of being able to have the entire contents of a patch (modules, wires, VST, settings etc stored as a preset, or more should I say as a load patc...

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Cheers!

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Ok.. Scratch that question. I have figured out how I can load/reload a sub patch in place, and that works better for me. Still would be great to find an IML message to save sub patch without prompt. Is this possible? Edit: Never mind, figured it out.. Well mostly. Patch saves in Root Usine Directory...

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I am trying to use IML to automatically load a VST plugin from the send message module, so far somewhat successfully except the only plugin I can get to load is whichever one I had last loaded manually, so I guess whichever plugin is still being cached. Any tips to load a specific plugin from my VST...

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Sephult, yes I have used the DAD patch, and yes it does allow an immediacy for VST parameter access that offers an immediacy of control probably suitable for most users, and it does definitely address the simpler form of immediacy that I brought up in my original post, however I quickly realized tha...

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hope I'm not OT : you can use the ctrl+shift key and then get access to all parameters via faders. then use midi learn to control the desired parameters. I know the ctrl+shift trick is not totally working with HH2 but should be fixed in HH3 cheers I'm not sure what this ctrl+shift mapping is? Do yo...

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Hi, I made a very barebones example for you so that you can see it is possible. There is probably better ways than my example, it will take some exploration to find the best way, or maybe someone else has made a better method already. Furthest towards the bottom on the midi key is maximum velocity. ...

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How about something even as simple as a "VST Params" Module available in single or multi params mode with a drop down list of all currently loaded VST's in a workspace, and a second drop down list of all parameters for that VST, a name outlet for the VST and for the parameter, and an input and outpu...

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A large part of the functionality that I apply in Usine is as an FX processing rack for my external instruments, the majority of the FX I use being VST, and of course some fun stuff that can be done to manipulate audio within Usine. I do find that access to VST parameters is a bit cumbersome, at lea...

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I understand about the the storing a "preset of presets" being very hungry if too many parameters, so yea probably a can of worms and best to leave alone. I have found solution for the time being to selectively have a sub patch or VST stored or not per each preset (via a very complex arrays manipula...

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More accurately, this is how I do it

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Alternatively, you can put a has changed module after fader vert (assuming it is saved in preset) and connect it to create on both midi modules. Also, in my experience you shouldn't need any wait modules but may be different in your case.

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I have just spent a good amount of time trying to record a loop from my external hardware into a sampler and have it play back in sync, but it would always drift. What I discovered is that, similar to what was noted above, is that if I put a local sync module with a slightly lower bpm in the patch c...

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I like this suggestion!

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I do find myself wishing that Usine had a more conventional linear layer for seguencing, editing and recording but that isn't a deal breaker for me because Usine is able to do things that no other audio software comes close to. For live performance or extremely creatively engineered production purpo...

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As an option for vst3 loading , if you use a wrapper / chainer such as Bluecat Patchwork in Usine, it is possible to load vst3 and more.

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Good to know addons is back. I think for now will keep the version i uploaded as sort of an example version. It is a bit too much set up for my specific usage to maybe be as useful for others. Also i have been expanding on the idea nicely and can upload a more versatile patch soon

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In some cases buses do not seem to send values unless they have changed. While this is good for CPU, this can be quite problematic in some patching situations, especially when needing to retrieve a value that had previously been sent on a bus. Maybe already in consideration for HH 3, but in case not...

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I have been playing around with various ways to make assigning controllers to VST easier and more intuitive. Here is one method that allows learning directly the last parameter touched on a VST UI, as well as scrolling the parameter name start position in case the number of characters in the paramet...

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Asiolinkpro looks very interesting, will have to take a closer look. With my RME MultifaceII I can do loopback between audio applications with my unused channels (10 channels free for such use by default if not using ADAT or SPDIF expansion, so 8 analogue i/o + 10 channel "rewire") The RME works gre...

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I am thinking a button on tbe receive bus to request value. Off topic, will post in feature suggestions.

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Here's a way to directly learn a parameter from touching VST UI. Press learn, touch a control on the VST and voila, two way control. Bulky patch, could probably use the magic touch of a script guru, but as is, is a good proof of concept. (assuming this sort of approach isn't old news) Things I would...

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Maybe a patching question.. But if not I will try here. Scenario: My workspace uses 256 global presets broken down into 32 banks of 8 presets (One bank per arrangement/song) which is triggered by incoming MIDI program change messages that follow my hardware sequencers.. The workspace has a number of...

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Thabks 23fx, i will try your suggestions. Nay's approach also looks handy, could even use parameter renaming as visual cues for live performance "filt.pat6" as a reminder that i want to tweak that filter when on pattern 6 of the specific arrangement, or "don't" (haha) for if there is a parameter tha...

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Oh.. Senso is already ten steps ahead of me. "in HH3 there is an option 'also visible in IB"
Funny too I even posted a reply in the thread without registering that point. It wasn't something I thought about specifically until just recently. Ok.. Can I have HH3 tomorrow please.?;}

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Both set a max char length and latest IML VST Scroller seem to work well, cheers! I dig the comments in the script. It helps me wrap my head around it a little more. Is there anywhere to enter a value to offset the start of where to clip from.. ie: iwanttoextract[thispartonly] ? I tried but my guess...

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I have been working on a new approach for my hardware sequencers integration into Usine for composition and live performance and in the process I am finding the rack view quite a good layout out for the tacks composing and arranging part, but I will need to move some of these components to the inter...

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I had a chance to try , "vst_scroller_knobs_scripted_version" works well and is easy to modify for more parameter knobs. Both the iml versions work but are a bit buggy for me with parameter values jumping and acting weird. Cool stuff though! Need more script gurus around here whipping up useful tool...

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I can't wait to check these out! Tomorrow..

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Great stuff guys, thanks! :) nay-seven, your build + expansion of 23fx23 patch idea works perfect. I can learn a lot from these examples. I have done some more patching which allows usage of just one patch to switch between several VST plugins and have all parameters and names updated on switch. I d...

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sephult, thanks for the suggestion, it was already your VST DaD patch that got me started with this ;) With your patch I have the issue that the VST params are all locked from updating from the VST when changing presets etc, so only control from the mapped knob works, and I could not find any easy s...

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I am wondering if anyone can see a more efficient way to patch this. In this example I have so far patched only for 3 parameters scroll / control knobs out of the 8 intended and I will need to use this patch several times throughout my workspace. The general idea is that the "index" control scrolls ...

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la tenaille, yes I have an EQ vst inserted per amplified group (subs, low mids, HF, centre fills and side fills). The Yorkville Unity speaker system I run is typically so flat and with separate fine volume control for low, low mid and mid/high frequencies I barely touch the EQ's except to deal with ...

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I'll be giving this entire interface a complete overhaul at some point. When I first put the work space together I was on a tight schedule with my only priority being to make it work but there is still a lot of room for improvement at least in the general aesthetics and making it more user friendly ...

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I was just watching a recap / promo video for this year of the festival and saw that my Usine Hollyhock based FOH Controller interface made the cut ;) Here is the video: https://vimeo.com/183799950 More about Atmosphere Music Festival: https://www.facebook.com/AtmosphereGathering/?fref=ts https://ww...

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An even more far fetched? idea.. Thinking about the way that jBridge VST works where a wrapper launches a VST as a separate process but with seamless integration into the VST host.. I guess I'm thinking of something like rewire for Usine but more advanced without the silly limitations where a "VST L...

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I will chime in once again for my support of some sort of, even if limited, VST option. I could easily live without having an entire workspace with all the bells and whistles loaded as VST but having something like one rack with 8x i/o or even in the simplest of form, just one patch running as VST w...

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If your logical groupings are, say, by rack, and each rack could have its own container on the IB, all you would need is the ability to flag all but one of the containers as invisible, with radio buttons or similar. +1 for having a container available per top level rack with toggle visibility in ib...

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I have toyed with the idea a bit , designing some channel strips and such (somewhat inefficiently at the time in v5) but have never gone all the way with it. I do in a fashion have a mixing desk that I use as my PA controller and that works quite well for me but it lacks the typical functions you wo...

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Imo, it should have been "usine for live" rather than max for live". That sort of daw integration with HH would be fantastic!

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oli_lab wrote:maybe the vsti thingo could be a hollyhock patch reader/editor ?
ie not a whole workspace with grid and so forth but just plain .pat wrapped into a vsti with 8 inputs and 8 outputs

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I like this idea.

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Good news, Thanks!

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Often I would find it very useful if I could send multiple channels of audio down a single wire or bus. Maybe possible some time?

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Huge +1 for bringing back a VST version

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Just my 2 cents here but for a long time, through multiple versions I have found that extensive patching with patch autosave or "undo" enabled, Usine inevitably crashes at some point. No idea why, maybe background memory use increases with each patching operation until the program becomes unstable? ...

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I didn't look at your patch but maybe this can help? It is a 3 way crossover based on the Linkwitz Riley modules that I have used live on my 20kW sound system for shows and it sounds good to me. http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.php?file=3%20way%20crossover.pat btw, in the future you might ha...

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Nice! I have a girlfriend who is studying early childhood education. Maybe this can be of use to her in the future. Never too early to get kids into music, right?

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Well, I haven't seen much interest here.. but I figured I would let anyone who may be interested know that if you have been tempted by this, the pre order phase is over at 6pm PST Friday and then prices will be going up significantly. Also not sure if my referral link that saves us both $100 would w...

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I am pretty excited for the creative possibilities in this machine. Unfortunately as shipping doesn't begin until December, it will probably be some time until I see mine. I will be sure to remember to come back to this thread and show something interesting that I have made, presumably something mus...

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I realize this post may border on marketing spam, it is not my intention to spam but please remove if deemed inappropriate.. I am posting this because I have pre ordered a very slick laser cutter engraver from the folks at http://glowforge.com/ and they have a clever marketing campaign that gives bo...

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In addition to my use of Usine as a live performance hub in combination with my outboard hardware synthesisers, samplers and drum machines, I have been using Usine as a custom control interface for my PA system, and it has been working flawlessly during the last two music festivals I have been invol...

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Another quick question, is there a sampler preview function that would be bypassing the patch audio routing? I ask because I quickly wired in a sampler yesterday to play some test tones and just about blew my subs by inadvertently bypassing the patch routing and sending the signal directly to output...

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Sorry if this is silly but I could have sworn a couple of versions ago that if I clicked my mouse wheel and scrolled I could zoom in and out of the ib but it doesn't seem to work now. I can't investigate further atm as my computer is set up on site for a show starting tomorrow, and I'm hoping to hav...

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Thanks. I did try to use teamview but gave up when the server side would not establish a connection. Perhaps I should try again.

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Update: I settled on TightVNC for my uses, works quite well for remote "Usining" with the exception that there is only single point touch and for some reason buttons tend to only function once via touch and then not function again until used with the touchpad / mouse. I must say it was quite somethi...

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