BrainModular

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T20:41:13+02:00

yes, scroll inc/dec factor is not so smooth as in mouse Y patch, but there are other advantages, and I use both slider methods for sure.
- waiting for improvements... thanks...

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 28 Jun 2011, 20:41

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T19:49:05+02:00

@ floego : well spoted man, ive been a bit lasy on that one

this version should fix the pb and work with only assigned keys:

Scroll_faderZ

@r.error: glad if helpful for you. ideally it would need a system to get each individual min/max and increment factor,
cause here all faders need to be same range....
il make a more advanced version if got a bit of free time..but didn't want to make it too complex first

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 19:49

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T17:26:12+02:00

if interested Ive uploaded a patch variation ive made using relative delta technique

you can change letters assignations in a textfield, then if corresponding key is pressed it get the fader value, and mouse wheel controls the incr/decr.

[s]WHEEL_faderZ[/s]

edit: sorry ihad messed with contenair : here it's good:

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ADERSB.pat

Thanks, very useful! all works smooth
I look inside the patch .... if this is your handwriting, you are perfectionist

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 28 Jun 2011, 17:26

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T16:44:53+02:00

if interested Ive uploaded a patch variation ive made using relative delta technique

you can change letters assignations in a textfield, then if corresponding key is pressed it get the fader value, and mouse wheel controls the incr/decr.

[s]WHEEL_faderZ[/s]

edit: sorry ihad messed with contenair : here it's good:

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ADERSB.pat

just perfect!, very clean patch
I like the key personalization because of the fact the keyboard layout in Windows varies with language choosen.

Only one prob : fader-1 moves too with the pressing of every other key not defined.

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 28 Jun 2011, 16:44

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T16:11:39+02:00

if interested Ive uploaded a patch variation ive made using relative delta technique

you can change letters assignations in a textfield, then if corresponding key is pressed it get the fader value, and mouse wheel controls the incr/decr.

[s]WHEEL_faderZ[/s]

edit: sorry ihad messed with contenair : here it's good:

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ADERSB.pat

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 16:11

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T15:44:41+02:00

cool, yup i use this when something has risks to 'blink',

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 15:44

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T15:24:42+02:00

try to use a 'variable' module in math and connect keypressed to both in and affect, and key up only to affect.

it seems to work

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 28 Jun 2011, 15:24

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T14:55:31+02:00

try to use a 'variable' module in math and connect keypressed to both in and affect, and key up only to affect.

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 14:55

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T09:06:33+02:00

There is one more thing that makes me confused about keyboard too. I want that sliders work only if key is down, therefore I turn on filter keys and set "no keyboard repeat" + add wire from keyboard "key up" to toggle. Theoretically all must work fine - when key is pressed there is message 1 and slider moves, when key is released there is message 0 and slider can't be moved. But after some clumsy key press messages changes [pressed - 0, released - 1]. Try to press two or three keys simultaneously and this happens - slider moves when key is released. Most interesting is that there is no need for perfect synchronous key press.
Any idea what Is wrong here?

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 28 Jun 2011, 09:06

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T02:05:57+02:00

Interesting topic!
I connected an 'Oscilloscope' module to the fader and realized that when the mouse moves at very high speed , the data generated is just too few (about 5 values per full scale) to give a reasonable value once the mouse stopped moving.

video of the oscilloscope module

Maybe it could be useful to create a module to calculate acceleration?
IMHO any mouse movement that has been finished with a positive acceleration (on Y axis) for sure got to the top/botton of the screen. So maybe it is a matter of 'detecting' this parameter to find a solution?

But, could this module steal too much processor time?

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 28 Jun 2011, 02:05

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T23:59:33+02:00

Yes, the problem occurs if usine window is not at full screen. But full-screen is only relative solution, because fader goes from 0-100 only if mouse is not moving too fast. Dont know how to measure "fast" , but I think that there is correlation between speed and error % , there are 0-100 on slow movement, if faster ~ 5 - 95, if very fast ~ 10 - 80.

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 27 Jun 2011, 23:59

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T21:41:19+02:00

yup, mouse module has several different tagets: screen contenair, ctrl panell.

so if controlling from absolute mouse, you are not sure to reach full 0..1 range exept if adding a chg scale,
but anyway there is a risk of jumping values if using this system, this is why i would use a 'relative' system rather than absolute, using delta added to current controlled fader value. what can be done is each fader send and receive to a specific buss,
and according to pressed key the patch receive specific buss, add delta, and resend to same target buss.

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 27 Jun 2011, 21:41

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T21:28:08+02:00

I think this is related to the fact that the mouse module can only capture X,Y positions when INSIDE the usine main window. And maybe windows 'steals' a tiny part of Usine space at the top and botton of the screen to 'retake' control of the mouse.

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 21:28

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T21:15:05+02:00

yes, depending of mouse and system, you can have bad range
you can solve this with adding a sub-patch Change Scale (out 0..1) before the send bus module
and choose values like mini=0.05 and max = 0.95
then apply poly

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 21:15

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T20:46:57+02:00

Si!
I forgot that!

I made a tiny mod to your patch;
[img align=combo key mouse with color]http://sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.ph ... lor%20.JPG[/url]

combo key mouse with color

Hmmm... why the sliders does not reach top and bottom? when I move mouse up and down there are random variations - lowest rate varies from 11- 15 highest from 76-81, but never reach 100% or 0%

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 27 Jun 2011, 20:46

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T15:14:59+02:00

well done hombre !

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 15:14

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T15:03:58+02:00

Si!
I forgot that!

I made a tiny mod to your patch;

combo key mouse with color

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 15:03

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T14:35:13+02:00

yes, this is bastante normal amigo
cause there's nothing outside to keep the value
just add a fader outside , they'll keep the values ( until you've finish, then you can delete them)

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 14:35

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T14:17:09+02:00

Masterly! very useful Nay
just one problem: once I get inside the subpatch and press 'apply polyphony' button, 'key num-2' ...'key num-8' values gets a reset to 0 :/
I don't know why?

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 14:17

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T13:30:50+02:00

Thanks Floego,
Here a little prototype ( for pro users only cause use the poly function )

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 13:30

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T12:56:29+02:00

very good idea nay!

and instead of the keyboard, it could use (for example) the buttons of a game pad, pedal, etc.

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 12:56

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T08:55:16+02:00

here a little idea :
using this with the poly mode you can create more shortcuts

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 08:55

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T01:53:42+02:00

I keep in mind, thanks

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 27 Jun 2011, 01:53

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-26T16:09:05+02:00

It would be nice to have somekind of keyboard 'sticky key' allowing the mouse wheel to control a slider while the key are down, or for a certain time period after the key was pressed. And previously being able to define a set of this 'keys' for a group of sliders or knobs.

In other words, a combo between mouse and computer keyboard for a certain action. And grouping them.

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 26 Jun 2011, 16:09

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-26T14:11:41+02:00

Nope, but you can either use sendmousemessage module to force the mouse going on top of slider,

or even simpler directly use the mouse module: you can see mouse output light up each time mouse wheel changes, and
the delta output show +1 or -1 relating scrolling direction. so it can be possible to connect it to the increment value of a fader
ie only when left clic is on or other condition, delta control the fader, even if not on top of it.

i would do something like this: here fader increments of 1 or -1 so fader goes from 0 to 10, but you can add a multiplier
to delta if want fader to go from 0to 1. also here it apply scroll only when mouse midle button is on but you can choose
another condition.

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 26 Jun 2011, 14:11

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T20:41:13+02:00

yes, scroll inc/dec factor is not so smooth as in mouse Y patch, but there are other advantages, and I use both slider methods for sure.
- waiting for improvements... thanks...

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 28 Jun 2011, 20:41

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T19:49:05+02:00

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 19:49

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T17:26:12+02:00

if interested Ive uploaded a patch variation ive made using relative delta technique

you can change letters assignations in a textfield, then if corresponding key is pressed it get the fader value, and mouse wheel controls the incr/decr.

[s]WHEEL_faderZ[/s]

edit: sorry ihad messed with contenair : here it's good:

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ADERSB.pat

Thanks, very useful! all works smooth
I look inside the patch .... if this is your handwriting, you are perfectionist

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 28 Jun 2011, 17:26

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T16:44:53+02:00

if interested Ive uploaded a patch variation ive made using relative delta technique

you can change letters assignations in a textfield, then if corresponding key is pressed it get the fader value, and mouse wheel controls the incr/decr.

[s]WHEEL_faderZ[/s]

edit: sorry ihad messed with contenair : here it's good:

http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... ADERSB.pat

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 28 Jun 2011, 16:44

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T16:11:39+02:00

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 16:11

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T15:44:41+02:00

cool, yup i use this when something has risks to 'blink',

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 15:44

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T15:24:42+02:00

try to use a 'variable' module in math and connect keypressed to both in and affect, and key up only to affect.

it seems to work

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 28 Jun 2011, 15:24

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T14:55:31+02:00

try to use a 'variable' module in math and connect keypressed to both in and affect, and key up only to affect.

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 28 Jun 2011, 14:55

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T09:06:33+02:00

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 28 Jun 2011, 09:06

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-28T02:05:57+02:00

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 28 Jun 2011, 02:05

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T23:59:33+02:00

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 27 Jun 2011, 23:59

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T21:41:19+02:00

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 27 Jun 2011, 21:41

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T21:28:08+02:00

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 21:28

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T21:15:05+02:00

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 21:15

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T20:46:57+02:00

Si!
I forgot that!

I made a tiny mod to your patch;
[img align=combo key mouse with color]http://sensomusic.com/forums/uploads.ph ... lor%20.JPG[/url]

combo key mouse with color

Hmmm... why the sliders does not reach top and bottom? when I move mouse up and down there are random variations - lowest rate varies from 11- 15 highest from 76-81, but never reach 100% or 0%

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 27 Jun 2011, 20:46

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T15:14:59+02:00

well done hombre !

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 15:14

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T15:03:58+02:00

Si!
I forgot that!

I made a tiny mod to your patch;

combo key mouse with color

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 15:03

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T14:35:13+02:00

yes, this is bastante normal amigo
cause there's nothing outside to keep the value
just add a fader outside , they'll keep the values ( until you've finish, then you can delete them)

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 14:35

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T14:17:09+02:00

Masterly! very useful Nay
just one problem: once I get inside the subpatch and press 'apply polyphony' button, 'key num-2' ...'key num-8' values gets a reset to 0 :/
I don't know why?

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 14:17

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T13:30:50+02:00

Thanks Floego,
Here a little prototype ( for pro users only cause use the poly function )

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 13:30

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T12:56:29+02:00

very good idea nay!

and instead of the keyboard, it could use (for example) the buttons of a game pad, pedal, etc.

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 27 Jun 2011, 12:56

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T08:55:16+02:00

here a little idea :
using this with the poly mode you can create more shortcuts

Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 27 Jun 2011, 08:55

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-27T01:53:42+02:00

I keep in mind, thanks

Statistics: Posted by r.erorr — 27 Jun 2011, 01:53

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-26T16:09:05+02:00

Statistics: Posted by Floego — 26 Jun 2011, 16:09

Two question about sliders and hid?

2011-06-26T14:11:41+02:00

Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 26 Jun 2011, 14:11