It will probably take me a little while to figure out how exactly to work this...
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I have a generic matrix that allows me to take any of my control sources and map them to any parameter in any vst instrument or effect in my setup (currently 10 instruments and 4 effects--processing power is running out!) I can also set an upper and lower limit for the control. In my setup, I have controls that correspond to my hardware, which I learn. Then these controls can be mapped by name using comboboxes.
You still have to type all the parameters in by hand. I use a spreadsheet to put parameters in one column, and parameter numbars in another. Then I alphabetize. Because of the commatext limit, I also have to delete parameters that I don't expect to need to map.
The downside is that you can only map to parameters that respond to midi. Great for NI stuff, but MrRay only has midi control for 5 of its parameters
It's at:
http://www.sensomusic.com/download.php?file=matrix.pat
Hope this is useful to somebody!
And vis-a-vis 'perfect patch'. Well, I'm getting close.
Problem is, my patch is perfect enough that I need hundreds of presets for it, and the conductor is in *such* bad need of an upgrade.....
Well, I'm sure Senso will get to it when he has a chance. This is an amazing program, and it's crazy to think it's all the work of one man!!!
-eric
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Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 18 Sep 2009, 18:39
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will try to isolate it and post it if you are interested.
Thanks but I have it all working as needed, fader captions are populated with comma texts automaticly when the fader destination/function is selected.Also I may be ditching my " making the perfect patch that does everything" approach and instead relying on my computer not blowing up as I load various patches in realtime..
haha, I quoted you before you edited your post
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 18 Sep 2009, 18:34
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Also, am I correct in assuming there is no way to directly edit a caption or a text field from within the interface builder..
nope, it's possible, i managed to do it in a part of my square patch let me edit (via keyboard) and store captions directly from ib, will try to isolate it and post it if you are interested. I wanted to do the same kind of "layout" presets where each cell store caption, cc send, value 1,2, midi ch ect, via a popup window to set them and also store last state to avoid jumps on recall. will think how to adapt other items like faders..but still have to set midi setting individually once, then it's automatically recalled.Statistics: Posted by 23fx23 — 18 Sep 2009, 18:23
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Ok, so a pass if change module between the dispatch and the midi destination seems to sort things out. No midi filter needed.
So does that mean midi can safely be manipulated by most regular data modules?
When it comes to data "transport" or routing of some sort, MIDI messages should be handled like any other data. For things like logical modules, you obviously have to split the messages in their respective parts (msg, data1, data2) - but you already knew that So does that mean midi can safely be manipulated by most regular data modules?
. Come to think of it, I guess MIDI through audio in-/outlets would in most cases behave quite strange...Statistics: Posted by bsork — 15 Sep 2009, 10:26
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Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 15 Sep 2009, 08:25
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Edit:
Ok, so the problem may only to be with the two different midi monitors I have tried. I just tried with a regular VST and there is no problem..weird?
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 15 Sep 2009, 08:06
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Statistics: Posted by nay-seven — 15 Sep 2009, 07:28
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Any suggestions? I tried using a dispatch module and even though it seems to work there is issues with the cpu overloading or receiving midi devices spewing out errors so I am assuming that normal data modules are not able to process midi?
The only way I can see to do this is to select a mid channel at each create midi event module and then use a channel filter at each destination but then I lose the ability to have CC's on different channels...
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 15 Sep 2009, 01:31
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If suitable,or for that matter usefull to anyone other than myself, I could add to the add ons section?
http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... faders.pat
Edit: I did not have the receive buses for midi out and midi to usine named properly. Re Uploaded.
Edit: and again re uploaded because generated bus names changed for some reason?
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 11 Sep 2009, 08:55
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An A=B together with PassEvent should do the trick:
Thanks!That's a nice simple usage I wish I figured out a long time ago...I have other patches to clean up!
Now to chew on further cpu optimizations...
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 09 Sep 2009, 10:54
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Btw, is there any easy way to pass data only if value is equal to X? I think my buss method is hogging cpu.
An A=B together with PassEvent should do the trick:data->A=B.A
A=B.B=X
data->PassEvent.In
A=B.out->PassEvent.Pass
PassEvent.out->
Statistics: Posted by bsork — 09 Sep 2009, 08:05
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A-Param1, A-Param2, A-Param3 etc. combobox selects the mid CC number for the Create Midi module and also selects the name of the corresponding midi mapped parameter to display on the fader.
http://www.sensomusic.com/forums/upload ... %20aLL.pat
Of course I will be looking carefully at any other suggestions, thanks!
Especially as 10 instances of this selectable fader use 10-12% of my laptop cpu...yikes!!!
Btw, is there any easy way to pass data only if value is equal to X? I think my buss method is hogging cpu.
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 09 Sep 2009, 03:37
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i set it up to use my kenton killamix as a universal controller. as you change patches the interface in the IB changes to reflect what parameters are being controlled as well as showing the current patch state. the current state was also being sent to the killamix. basically i was assigning the killamix as a remote controller to the knobs in the IB interface. the only problem was that at the time Usine was having trouble remembering the assignments so every time i reopened that patch i had to reassign the controllers - annoying, but not a deal breaker and it might have been changed by now...
obviously you can use any controller, not just a killamix, and it could be extended to have as many knobs/faders as you want. hope this helps you out, if you have any questions/problems lemme know...
Statistics: Posted by Clearscreen — 09 Sep 2009, 02:01
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bsork,
your approach sounds very interesting. So is it possible to have a destination name be linked to a CC number and channel number on a create midi event module? An example would be much appreciated!
For now I'll go have a look at the "Comma delimited texts to separate elements" add-on. Maybe I'll think of something
The basic idea is that each destination is connected to an element in an array distributed by busses. What to do with the incoming data at the destinations is decided there, whether it's a VST parameter, a Create MIDI or whatever. I haven't got a copy here at work anyway, and I have to take a closer look to refresh my memory about how it's constructed. I also think that I can create a rather simple example that probably will be easier to understand than any lengthy descriptions.your approach sounds very interesting. So is it possible to have a destination name be linked to a CC number and channel number on a create midi event module? An example would be much appreciated!
For now I'll go have a look at the "Comma delimited texts to separate elements" add-on. Maybe I'll think of something
Statistics: Posted by bsork — 08 Sep 2009, 10:23
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ur idea sounds interesting.
dont understand yet why u want 'generic faders'?
why not generate new faders for every preset?
Not sure I quite understand how that could be done except by perhaps by putting a fader on every VSTI pin I could possibly want control of and then automating the visibility status of the the fader per preset but then I would likely end up with overlaps of the xy position in the ib with certain faders..? Mind you there's a lot of ib features I haven't really dug into yet so probably I'm missing something really usefull?dont understand yet why u want 'generic faders'?
why not generate new faders for every preset?
bsork,
your approach sounds very interesting. So is it possible to have a destination name be linked to a CC number and channel number on a create midi event module? An example would be much appreciated!
For now I'll go have a look at the "Comma delimited texts to separate elements" add-on. Maybe I'll think of something
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 08 Sep 2009, 09:22
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My workspace is however a lot more complicated than eight faders controlling a fixed number of destinations. I could mail it to you if you want, but I think it would be better if I created an add-on using your idea as the basis. My workspace is centered around interpreting and translating MIDI coming from my foot controller, and MIDI control of the hardware parts of my guitar rack (pre-amp, switcher, TC Fireworx) is inside the whole thing making it rather useless and confusing for anyone but me. (Well, I'm often confused too when I try to understand what I've done in there...
) The fact that my old foot controller died on me when the programming was well on it's way, and my new controller behaves rather differently adds to the mess.I'm thinking an example workspace would be the right thing to create, with a "master" patch containing eight faders sent to a couple of VST patches using buss modules.
I think you're right in your assumptions about editing in the IB.
Statistics: Posted by bsork — 08 Sep 2009, 08:18
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why not generate new faders for every preset?
Statistics: Posted by amiga909 — 08 Sep 2009, 07:58
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I am thinking that there is no way possible to do this with connecting faders directly to VSTI input pins so that means I would be using midi learn on the plugins and controlling them with create midi message modules piped directly into the VSTI's but the question is how can I dynamicly switch functions of a fader per preset without having huge chart of midi mappings for all four VSTI's on hand and another fader for each fader to control the midi CC sent by the fader? Or is this the only way?
Any suggestions?
Also, am I correct in assuming there is no way to directly edit a caption or a text field from within the interface builder and for any time I change a caption, I will need to locate the caption to edit from within the patch,except possibly by prepopulating all possible captions with perhaps a listbox?
Statistics: Posted by gurulogic — 08 Sep 2009, 05:02
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